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Unknown Liner - c1932
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No: 227   Contributor: Dave Dyet   Year: 1932
Unknown Liner - c1932

On stock.xchng this is described as
"This cruise liner took voyages from North America to Europe quite regularly."

Does anyone know what her name is?
Picture added on 26 October 2006
add commentComments:
it looks like an ex Orient Line ship called the Orontes that used to run from Tilbury to Australia. Not sure. JB

Added by John Bridgland on 01 November 2006.
Dear Sirs.
I knew Orntes liner just before she was demolished in Valencia (Spain. I think this picture doesn´t correspont to Orontes. I saw her just before scrapping and she didn't have anchor in the stern. (I've got pics)

Added by Javier Ramos (naval architect) on 09 January 2007.
I have to say I was not sure as quoted, however her name still eludes us all JB

Added by John Bridgland on 09 January 2007.
She looks like one of the "Duchess" ships of Canadian Pacific-further research to be done ! Definitely not an Orient liner.

Added by Ian Boyd on 09 July 2007.
This Ship could be RMS ORMONDE. I was on her in 1950. Went from Sydney to Wellinton NZ in ballast, Boarded NZ Troops for PUSAN KOREA.

Added by Verdun Lowe on 25 July 2007.
Don't think this is Ormonde. She had two shelter decks the length of the midship accomodation. As most Orient line ships were like that it is possibly not an Orient liner.

Added by Graeme Swalling on 18 September 2007.
Agree with Ian Boyd, does look a bit like the CP duchesses, but is she big enough?

Added by Graeme Swalling on 19 September 2007.
Almost certain she is one of the "Mont" liners of Canadian Pacific, either "Montrose", "Montclare" or "Montcalm" all built in the '20s and on the North Atlantic run. Two were war losses.

Added by Ian Boyd on 19 September 2007.
I am sure that Ian is right, looks just like them, size would be right as well.

Added by Graeme Swalling on 19 September 2007.
The Ship is NOT the RMS Ormonde. I have been sent a Photo taken at Tilbury Dock.
I can see the difference after comparing photo's. but 1950 was a long time ago .
But then, they all look the same when you've had a few !!!!!!

Added by Verdun Lowe on 20 September 2007.
I too, thought it was RMS Orontes, I was aboard her with my mother and siblings (I was 5 yrs old) in July 1950 bound for Sydney Australia. I have an old postcard my mother sent back to her Aunt and posted in Egypt.

Added by Pauline Hinton on 12 February 2008.
Lads this is not the Orontes

Added by PAUL MARA on 15 February 2008.
This is NOT an Orient liner, still reckon it is a CP Mont.

Added by Graeme Swalling on 15 February 2008.
Looking at the Canadian Pacific Montrose (2 funnels) on the Old Ship Picture Galleries web site, I think Ian Boyd is correct.

Added by Peter Langsdale on 15 February 2008.
Definitely a Mont--- of CP.I have pictures of them.I will post one for comparison with this picture.

Added by Ian Boyd on 16 February 2008.
I´ve just add a pic of Orntes where you can see clearly that this ship is not the Orontes. Javier Ramos (naval achitect)

Added by Javier Ramos on 22 February 2008.
Without question this is a CPR twin screw steam turbine liner Montclare or the Montcalm, these liners all had stern anchors ( this can be seen in the photo) as did the Cunard Silvania class, these stern anchors were to aid navigation and to combat the tides of the St Lawence River.
As it happens I am in the process of doing a watercolour painting of the Montclare for a friend at the moment .Hope these comments are of value to you.

Added by Arthur Hudson. on 27 April 2008.
Seems like the ship is sorted, whatever my Orontes theory caused some attention.best regards to all.John B.

Added by John Bridgland on 28 April 2008.
My final point. I concede that the ship is not the "Ormonde" nor the "OTRANTO" It is a pity they have all gone, including all the Steam Ferries. I had a spell on "Gravesend to Tilbury " Steam Ferries" Both on deck and below. Happy Days. Vic

Added by Verdun Lowe on 04 May 2008.
I also spent some time on the deck of a gravesend steam ferry taking my girfriend home, now my wife.JB

Added by John Bridgland on 05 May 2008.
Does any1 know what happened to the orontes navy ship

Added by DANIEL DURSTON on 09 November 2008.
My father was also on the Ormonde from England to Austrailia in 1950-1951 he remembers it well.He recalled the many coats of paint that she was covered with.

Added by Tom on 17 February 2010.
I thank all those who sent comments about the mystery Ship,it seems the answer has been found also I thank the web site for keeping all informed of progress.

Added by Verdun (Vic) Lowe on 17 February 2010.
RMS Orontes Orient Line.

Just as a matter of interest I would like to add the following:
My family (I was only a couple of months old) were evacuated from the Dutch East Indies and shipped from Singapore (Changi Camp) to Southampton on board the RMS Orontes in 1945.
I still have in my possession a signed copy of the Landfall Dinner ships menu of Sunday, 9th December 1945.
This ship and it's crew brought us, half starved by the Japanese and nearly slaughtered by the Indonesian rebels, to safety.
I am therefor forever grateful to the British and Commonwealth troops for saving our lives.
Peter Mansoor. (Netherlands).

Added by Peter Mansoor on 20 August 2010.
I have a dinner menu for that ship sat 11th of august 1951 RMS ORMONDE ORIENT LINE

Added by CARL RICHARDSON on 07 February 2011.
I see Carl Richardson has a Dinner Menu for the Ormonde, so have I signed by all my passengers.
After the Korea trip 1950 I changed to Deck hand
8th Feb 2011

Added by Verdun Lowe (Vic) on 08 February 2011.
As I said this is not the Orontes for sure. My father's company scrapped it in Valencia and I've got pictures (already sent) of the stern, taken by him that is quite different. af the one of this liner. Certenly she is an Orient liner but I don't know wich one.

Added by Javier Ramos (naval architect) on 10 February 2011.
I would suggest ss Montcalm, sister ship to Montclare. Montcalm became the depot ship HMS Wolfe.

Added by Heilanman on 18 March 2011.
Having looked again at this ship, I agree with ian boyd, it is a canadian pacific ship, the clue also is where she traded. contray to first thinking it was an orient line ship.

Added by John Bridgland on 15 November 2014.
would like to thank all those who added comment to this site, it is good to know the old Ships are remebered. Although it was long hours looking after around 60 Passengers I still have news paper Photos taken with the Kiwis and other troops some up in the rigging taken at sea but looking at the Photos in detail the ship in question is NOT the "ORMONDE" Merry Christmas to all

Added by Vic Lowe on 19 November 2014.
hi vic lowe, you said its not the Ormonde, and write as if you served aboard her, BUT you never mentioned her name, thats what we all want to know!!

Added by John Bridgland on 21 November 2014.
In answer to your query I joined the Ormonde at Tilbury in 1952 for the trip she called at PUSAN KOREA Hope you are HAPPY NOW I stayed with the Orient line (you seem to be a person with an axe to grind)

Added by Vic Lowe on 25 November 2014.
It seems my previous reply was unacceptable. However in answer to the person who is not happy that I haven't given my Life story I joined "ORMONDE" 1952 at TILBURY Capt "BLAKE". I have enough proof if required on reaching SYDNEY. We then took on ballast and went empty to WELLINGTON NZ to Embarke Troops for PUSAN KOREA calling at Manila on the way "Which at the time was under Martial Law US TROOPS is there anything else you would like to know??????????

Added by Vic Lowe on 25 November 2014.
Hello Viv. yes Vic I was a out of order with my last. But we are all interested in the name of the ship in the picture. At the time of reading your Ormonde entry I assumed wrongly you served on the vessel pictured. Some of those passenger ships on the atlantic service names started with Empress of ??????. rgds JB

Added by John Bridgland on 26 November 2014.
No problem we all sometimes misunderstand thank you for your correction may I wish you and all who use this site (not forgetting those who run it )A merry Xnas and a better new year. VIC

Added by Vic Lowe on 28 November 2014.
Thanks for your comment we all make mistakes no harm done just feelings.
I joined Ormonde 1952 Sailed for ausie took Ballast in Sydney Sailed to NZ took on board NZ Troops to Pusan Korea calling at Manila (under martial law (USA Troops)among other ares Hong Kong etc interesting trip. PS I have repeated this as my Computer failed and I am not sure if my first was sent May I wish you and your Family a merry Xmas and a better new year and to all who follow this site and those who run it Regards to all Vic

Added by Vic Lowe on 29 November 2014.
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